1st of all, I'm the one who coined the term Dribbling in Ultimate over 20 years ago.
2nd of all, for the past 15 years, everyone mocked me, laughed at me and ostracized me claiming that Dribbling in Ultimate is impossible. Now dribbling has become very trendy and fashionable do I get any credit or is anyone asking me to teach? No.
3rd, almost all of what people are claiming is 'dribbling' is nothing more than sloppy, purposeless give and go moves.
I honestly don't think that it's about semantics, it's about intentionality and deliberation. Dribbling represents a complete shift in the mindset you have towards the game and how you are philosophically orienting yourself in direct opposition to the defense. In other sports that have incorporated dribbling (soccer, basketball, hockey, la crosse, etc.) I can see this obvious M.O. in how players play.
The difference is night and day.
Because technically, when a basketball player only dribbles one bounce and picks the ball up (or in ultimate runs one give and go move), it's still considered dribbling so I coined the phrase Shredding to apply to this radically different mindset. You're not shredding. Not even close.
All I want to do is share my knowledge of the game. I personally can't stand anything about what anybody in the game today is doing. It's all garbage.
Nobody besides myself has this mindset in Ultimate, it's obvious to me. Every time someone sends me a video of someone 'dribbling' I laugh at it. It's no where near Shredding, an 99 times out of 100, it's illegal.
1. You didn't coin the term ultimate but make comments on what it should be. I think this discourse around growth of the sport should be encouraged. In your dribbling case this is hard to do without a ground zero to compare to.
2. I've read all you stuff yet you still lump me in with ostracizing you... For someone who claims to be logical this doesn't check out. I disagree with some of what you write but personally think I am able to pick out the parts that I think a valuable to learn from.
3. I think I know what my intentions are, dribbling wasn't the focus of this article and the clips chosen are ones that demonstrate visually my discussion around manipulating defence with small ball to open up longer opportunities.
I also want to share knowledge hence this blog. Happy to have discussion but only siths deal in absolutes and your claims of 'only you' and 'nobody else' aren't conducive to positive collaboration.
I am not understanding your first point. What you are currently calling Shredding is what I was doing in 1986, before I even began dribbling. It's not new.
No, I didn't coin the term Ultimate. It's an embarrassing name. There's nothing ultimate about it. It's a complete failure and I've advocated for reform for nearly 40 years. It was invented by 16 year old kids who made a complete blunder in the game mechanics. As long as that blunder exists, the game is going nowhere.
I didn't lump you in with those who've ostracized me. I'm simply saying that I'm obviously the authority on dribbling since I'm the person who developed it.
I would say that anything you disagree with is because you don't understand Shredding and what it does to the game. Speaking of which, what exactly do you disagree with?
Your last point is odd to me. Do you think that I'm happy that I'm the only player in the world in the past 50 years to figure this out? The question shouldn't be whether or not I developed shredding, mastered shredding or am the foremost authority on shredding. The question should be "why hasn't a single other player on the planet figured this out yet"?
I'm not really interested in collaboration. Shredding destroys the game and anything less is half measures. I don't believe in half measures.
Agree around ultimate not being my favorite name possible.
Disagreements would be too long but keeping it to strictly Ultimate it's mostly around your perspective of other athletes and your teaching philosophy, theory's and techniques wise I can get behind a lot of your thoughts.
No, if you believe you're the only person then yes that would be quite isolating and saddening, I'm sorry you feel that way.
No, I don't believe it. I know it to be true. You can't possibly know what kind of algorithms I've developed over the past 40 years (I started playing 46 years ago). If there were another player who knew how to shred, I'd know. It would be obvious. There aren't any. There never have been any.
Please, elaborate. What is it about my perspective on other athletes, my teaching philosophy, theories and techniques that you disagree with?
You don't know how to dribble. But then again, nobody does.
1. Without an agreed upon definition this is semantics
2. I never once claim that I do know how, I only reference it in the title because I know people are interested in the topic.
3. I'm sure you agree being good at dribbling makes hucking easier (triple threat etc etc...) even if what I am doing isn't that
4. I prefer to call what I'm doing shredding
1st of all, I'm the one who coined the term Dribbling in Ultimate over 20 years ago.
2nd of all, for the past 15 years, everyone mocked me, laughed at me and ostracized me claiming that Dribbling in Ultimate is impossible. Now dribbling has become very trendy and fashionable do I get any credit or is anyone asking me to teach? No.
3rd, almost all of what people are claiming is 'dribbling' is nothing more than sloppy, purposeless give and go moves.
I honestly don't think that it's about semantics, it's about intentionality and deliberation. Dribbling represents a complete shift in the mindset you have towards the game and how you are philosophically orienting yourself in direct opposition to the defense. In other sports that have incorporated dribbling (soccer, basketball, hockey, la crosse, etc.) I can see this obvious M.O. in how players play.
The difference is night and day.
Because technically, when a basketball player only dribbles one bounce and picks the ball up (or in ultimate runs one give and go move), it's still considered dribbling so I coined the phrase Shredding to apply to this radically different mindset. You're not shredding. Not even close.
All I want to do is share my knowledge of the game. I personally can't stand anything about what anybody in the game today is doing. It's all garbage.
Nobody besides myself has this mindset in Ultimate, it's obvious to me. Every time someone sends me a video of someone 'dribbling' I laugh at it. It's no where near Shredding, an 99 times out of 100, it's illegal.
1. You didn't coin the term ultimate but make comments on what it should be. I think this discourse around growth of the sport should be encouraged. In your dribbling case this is hard to do without a ground zero to compare to.
2. I've read all you stuff yet you still lump me in with ostracizing you... For someone who claims to be logical this doesn't check out. I disagree with some of what you write but personally think I am able to pick out the parts that I think a valuable to learn from.
3. I think I know what my intentions are, dribbling wasn't the focus of this article and the clips chosen are ones that demonstrate visually my discussion around manipulating defence with small ball to open up longer opportunities.
I also want to share knowledge hence this blog. Happy to have discussion but only siths deal in absolutes and your claims of 'only you' and 'nobody else' aren't conducive to positive collaboration.
I am not understanding your first point. What you are currently calling Shredding is what I was doing in 1986, before I even began dribbling. It's not new.
No, I didn't coin the term Ultimate. It's an embarrassing name. There's nothing ultimate about it. It's a complete failure and I've advocated for reform for nearly 40 years. It was invented by 16 year old kids who made a complete blunder in the game mechanics. As long as that blunder exists, the game is going nowhere.
I didn't lump you in with those who've ostracized me. I'm simply saying that I'm obviously the authority on dribbling since I'm the person who developed it.
I would say that anything you disagree with is because you don't understand Shredding and what it does to the game. Speaking of which, what exactly do you disagree with?
Your last point is odd to me. Do you think that I'm happy that I'm the only player in the world in the past 50 years to figure this out? The question shouldn't be whether or not I developed shredding, mastered shredding or am the foremost authority on shredding. The question should be "why hasn't a single other player on the planet figured this out yet"?
I'm not really interested in collaboration. Shredding destroys the game and anything less is half measures. I don't believe in half measures.
Agree around ultimate not being my favorite name possible.
Disagreements would be too long but keeping it to strictly Ultimate it's mostly around your perspective of other athletes and your teaching philosophy, theory's and techniques wise I can get behind a lot of your thoughts.
No, if you believe you're the only person then yes that would be quite isolating and saddening, I'm sorry you feel that way.
No, I don't believe it. I know it to be true. You can't possibly know what kind of algorithms I've developed over the past 40 years (I started playing 46 years ago). If there were another player who knew how to shred, I'd know. It would be obvious. There aren't any. There never have been any.
Please, elaborate. What is it about my perspective on other athletes, my teaching philosophy, theories and techniques that you disagree with?